Mattias Desmet and Mike Yeadon are two great men who think very deeply about things, and I have the utmost respect for their passion and insights into human behaviour and mental health.
Or, rather, their desire to understand why people behave in a certain way.
Previously, Mattias chatted to me about mass formation.

He is a Professor Of Clinical Psychology at Ghent University in Belgium, focusing on interesting things like mass crowd formation, totalitarianism, mass hypnosis, indoctrination and, basically, how the human mind works.
Mass formation is a phenomenon that occurs when a large group of people develop irrational beliefs or engage in collective behaviour that defies logic or reason.
It’s like a contagious mindset that spreads within a community, leading individuals to adopt the same thoughts, behaviours, or beliefs.
Meanwhile, Mike is a retired British pharmacologist who served as the chief scientist and vice-president of the Allergy & Respiratory Research Division of Pfizer, and is the co-founder and former CEO of the biotechnology company Ziarco.
He left Pfizer in 2011 and has spoken out against the entire Covid narrative.
Mattias and Mike joined me for a rather beautiful conversation.
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